scotty: i hope they are great rims, but with a new product like this and especially one that is brand new and never been tested you might want to wait until they have been out for a little bit. Not saying that something will be wrong with them, but it's a brand new design and has gone through many many problems in the last 2 years. I hope they get it down and the rims are great, but i don't know if i would ever be the first to test the quality.