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It's not a rant about paying taxes, it's a rant about filing taxes.

Who the fuck made the instructions so fucking unclear and vague? And I can't even imagine having to file in multiple states like my mom does.They should be skinned alive and then bathed in rock salt and then cut into tiny pieces inch by inch.
 

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There was a case brought before the U.S. Superme court by the IRS against a couple that did not file their taxes.
The couples claim was that the tax code was to hard to figure out, which it's supposed to be so you don't have to hire an accountant, and the court sided in their favor agreeing with the couples claim.
There was only one stipulation made by the IRS, that the couple would not tell anyone.
Well, Paul Harvey told the story about 2 months ago on his radio show.
That's the rest of the story.

Joshua

PS. WWW.FAIRTAX.ORG
 

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I heard about that case and it's true. You think your taxes are hard trying filing for a business. It's a damn joke! someone needs to change the entire system as it should be much easier.
 

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motomummy said:
You think your taxes are hard trying filing for a business. It's a damn joke! someone needs to change the entire system as it should be much easier.

I understand the business thing. Gotta show it was a loss. :wink I have a Painting business, however it's a lot more involved for you with inventory, sales tax, credit card companies, & all the other stuff you deal with. I have no "employees" they are all 1099 & responsable for their own taxes.
Hope you have a good accountant.

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Do you guys also know there is no law that requires us to even file or pay taxes.... There are a few sites on it if you are interested.... They were also started by ex IRS employee's

Pretty interesting.... they state after working there and knowing that it's not required they have not filed a return since.
 

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Do you guys also know there is no law that requires us to even file or pay taxes.... There are a few sites on it if you are interested.... They were also started by ex IRS employee's

Pretty interesting.... they state after working there and knowing that it's not required they have not filed a return since.
I think I saw that on the news one day. Just because it isn't written though doesn't mean it's not implied under some other law.

There COULD be a lot of good coming from our taxes...but we don't live in Europe and our government does who knows what with the money.
 

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RLover said:
Do you guys also know there is no law that requires us to even file or pay taxes.... There are a few sites on it if you are interested.... They were also started by ex IRS employee's Pretty interesting.... they state after working there and knowing that it's not required they have not filed a return since.
Yeah, I've heard about that. Wesley Snipes was indited for that reason.
We are required to pay STATE income tax, but not Federal. The Constitution allows for a Federal income tax ONLY during a time of war for ONLY a 3 year period. This was put into effect during WW2 & never repealed.
If you have a GREAT lawyer & he is willing to go out on a limb there are steps you can take to become a non-income tax paying citizen of the U.S.A.

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I think we should pay taxes, with the stipulation that we should be getting something for paying taxes like better schools, better roads, cheaper health care, a REAL retirement, unbiased leaders, fair courts etc etc.

Let's face it, you can't get something for nothing.
 

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mel it's people like you that the utube debates came out for though. I think things will change, but it's very very slow. Arnold won in cali as people wanted a straight shooter, utube debates, more people are interested in the presidential race this year, etc. I think people are getting sick of things, but I think like everything with the government...It will be damn slow.
 

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I think we should pay taxes, with the stipulation that we should be getting something for paying taxes like better schools, better roads, cheaper health care, a REAL retirement, unbiased leaders, fair courts etc etc.

Let's face it, you can't get something for nothing.
Mel,

I TOTALLY agree w/ you and that was the original intent of founding fathers by designing the structure of our Govt, however there are so many crooks, liars, cheats, and people making $$ off of all the petty bullshit that goes on in our country it will take another civil war to see any real change.
Take illegal drugs for example. If we really wanted to stop sales & importation we could. All we would have to do is adopt the policies that Malasia has for sales or trafficing drugs. Death. If we put to death all those people that were arrested and convicted for drug sales & importation we would see a DRASTIC decrease in use & sales.
Trying the same thing and expecting different results, IS the deffinition of insanity, hence the "War" on drugs. Sorry for the bunny trail.

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That's true that we can not get something for nothing, but at the same time. They are taking so much money from the citizens and NOT fulfilling all the promises of what they say during election time. So why should we pay it? So many people are funding things that they want no part of or do not agree with.

I'm not saying that they don't do anything for us at all with our tax money, but the bad certainly seems to overpower the good. So personally... until they pull their shit together (which will probably never happen) maybe looking into pulling out of federal taxes isn't such a bad idea.
 

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Well our country is also based on fair punishment and not cruel/unusual punishment and the masses feel the punishment should fit the crime. I'm just playing devils advocate here as I was a criminal justice major. What if a kid in high school got caught selling drugs and he turned 18 a week before? What he was your nephew and a model citizen until that ONE time? What about someone selling drugs as a minor? What about someone trafficking them for his first time because his daughter needs a surgury he can't afford and he was offered 100k to do this this one time? There are exceptions to everything. I think things should be a bit more harsh for repeat offenders, but i don't know about a complete zero tolerance as there are circumstances for everything.

Grandevil being a psychology major could probably come up with some other underlying social, parental, and other reasons people do things. Granted these are the few, but do we now become a society that punishes everyone VERY harsh and is okay with catching a few "good" citizens in that net as well?

I honestly don't have the answers after all the studies i have seen, etc...it's a hell of a lot more complicated then I ever though.

I do know the irs booklet should be no more then say 5 damn pages! It shouldn't be a multi hundred page document meant to confuse.

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Mel,

I TOTALLY agree w/ you and that was the original intent of founding fathers by designing the structure of our Govt, however there are so many crooks, liars, cheats, and people making $$ off of all the petty bullshit that goes on in our country it will take another civil war to see any real change.
Take illegal drugs for example. If we really wanted to stop sales & importation we could. All we would have to do is adopt the policies that Malasia has for sales or trafficing drugs. Death. If we put to death all those people that were arrested and convicted for drug sales & importation we would see a DRASTIC decrease in use & sales.
Trying the same thing and expecting different results, IS the deffinition of insanity, hence the "War" on drugs. Sorry for the bunny trail.

Josh
 

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When the government is involved in most of the crooked shit going on, it's kind of hard to stop it. If people are making money, they aren't going to change anything. Drugs being one of them. Do people honestly believe that our government doesn't have their hand in the cookie jar with drug money? Come on... I hope we are all a little brighter than that.
 

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Well the government doesn't really hide the fact their hand is in the cookie jar. How many crimes do you think they get to confenscate houses, money, cars, etc on? Most other criminal acts don't let them confenscate money and goods. They aren't really hiding it. Also how many people are employed to help catch the drug runners? dea? Again it's another very complicated issue though.
 

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yeah it is a very complicated subject... that's why I just don't really care about it.
regardless of what we do or say, enough people aren't going to stand up to change anything. So might as well just keep bending over and complaining. About all we can do for now.
 

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Plastic Cup Politics said:
When the government is involved in most of the crooked shit going on, it's kind of hard to stop it. If people are making money, they aren't going to change anything. Drugs being one of them. Do people honestly believe that our government doesn't have their hand in the cookie jar with drug money? Come on... I hope we are all a little brighter than that.
Yep, the war on drugs creates more jobs.
 
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